"An industrial capitalist society that does not recognize ecological limits but only perpetual economic expansion and has the profit motive as driver, will eventually consume and destroy itself."
"But we will all be taken down with it."
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The other was a member of the Freedom Socialist Party and an administrative law judge in Seattle. He presides over administrative hearings for claims to unemployment benefits. I asked him if his pro-worker bias makes it difficult for him to render impartial decisions. He told me that his understanding of the science of Marxism gives him the ability to truly understand what is going on in the cases over which he presides. He said that he has a better record for not being reversed than other administrative law judges he knows, so if that's true I guess he has a point. He asked for my email address and I gave him the Goshen one that I don't check much.
I'd never really spent much time talking with assorted Marxists at demos before, and this was actually more interesting than I anticipated. But don't get any ideas, LaRouche people. I will still blow you off.
And they weren't supposed to be selling them. Around 1pm the Park Police started to shut down all t-shirt sales. At first it looked like a big deal, longshoremen yelling at park police and vice versa. I pushed myself right up next to it for a while, but then I noticed Zak hanging back some and stopped for a moment to think. Really, what was going to happen here? The police are going to shut down t-shirt sales but not arrest anyone. There isn't much to see.
So for a while they kept bickering back and forth with the police insisting that you needed a permit and longshoremen arguing variously that selling things shouldn't be prohibited, that there isn't any meaningful difference between buttons and shirts, and that they were just going to start selling buttons for $20 and including a free shirt in the deal. There wasn't much to see until at one point Officer Young said that he was going to get the Lieutenant and a dredlocked longshoreman replied that "that doesn't mean anything, your higher-ups don't mean anything, this isn't top-down, this is a grassroots movement, this is bottom-up." Even if he did have to close the t-shirt box after a few more minutes of shouting, that, ultimately, is the point.